states. >> where would you cut? >> i would means test heavily social security, medicare, drastically reduce defense spending. >> how would you handle medicare? would you like a voucher program? >> it's too late for that. you need to simply means test it, so if you're affluent, you're going to pay a much higher premium. everybody needs to pay bigger copays, bigger deductible. >> the equivalent of raising taxes on some people. >> we have to raise taxes on everybody. the bush tax cuts, all of them, for everybody. we cannot afford them. we couldn't afford them then. >> he's not the guy you thought he was. you want him to come in, you were going, we're not worthy, we're not worthy. that's not who he is, and you've written these things about the fantasy of the -- if you ever wrote about the obama budget it would be a nastier piece. >> the reason i haven't done that is i assumed people could see that. >> you can't assume that. we're going to meet all the actresses, you want to be a left winger so you can meet hollywood, th